abc 5 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 I have a spare launchpad. Is it possible to use it to measure energy consumption of another launchpad? How would I approach that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rockets4kids 204 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 http://forum.43oh.com/topic/2351-voltampwatt-meter/ abc 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
abc 5 Posted April 5, 2014 Author Share Posted April 5, 2014 Wow, thank you. A fascinating project. Question. If the ammeter at the link above only worked with very low voltages (say, 3.3 and less), would that allow to increase its precision? I am trying to trace energy efficiency of my code, so got to have precision. Alternatively, maybe someone has used built-in current sensing capabilities of EFM32? All it would take (I think) is to use EFM32 as a power source for MSP430, install Silicon Labs' proprietary IDE (eclipse-based Simplicity Studio), and watch graphs being plotted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
enl 227 Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 measuring currents at the range used by these processors is not easy. Several things make it tough: the low end is very, very low when sleeping, and can be the dominant usage in systems where the processor sleeps most of the time; The active current can be orders of magnitude larger than the sleep current; and many applications have very short active bursts. If you are trying to tune code by power usage, you will have an..... interesting time. If you are running on a launchpad rather than a bare processor, the power used by the processor will likely be buried under all of the other draws on the LP board and, for practical purposes, unmeasurable without much more expensive gear than you likely have. Just the power LED on the LP uses 2000 or more times the standby power (1mA vs 0.5uA). The active power for the core is 230uA, or 500 times he standby, not counting peripheral usage and I/O. (at the datasheet spec 2.2V and 1MHz... the difference in core usage is a larger factor at higher speed and supply voltage) The INA219 doesn't really have the resolution for this. If it were me, and it has been on occasion, I would just use a small shunt resistor to provide a signal that can be used to detect active time and try to minimize that. Next would be to measure charge consumption, using a cap to power the device and measuring voltage drop, which directly reflects charge loss, which is integrated current. By monitoring the cap at no load, and in your application, you can use the difference to get pretty accurate charge used by your circuit. abc 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rickta59 589 Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Olimex makes a JTAG/SBW flash programmer/debugger that monitors power usage and identifies current usage of your functions https://www.olimex.com/Products/MSP430/JTAG/MSP430-JTAG-ISO-MK2 http://mspdebug.sourceforge.net/power.html abc 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
abc 5 Posted April 6, 2014 Author Share Posted April 6, 2014 I thought the launchpad has a jumper that turns of a lot of peripherals? How does one turn off the rest? There has to be a programmatic way, no? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
grahamf72 169 Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 I thought the launchpad has a jumper that turns of a lot of peripherals? How does one turn off the rest? There has to be a programmatic way, no?If you remove the jumpers, then put a current meter across where the Vcc jumper goes you can measure the consumption of just the mcu and any connected loads such as LEDs etc. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk abc 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
greeeg 460 Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Olimex makes a JTAG/SBW flash programmer/debugger that monitors power usage and identifies current usage of your functions https://www.olimex.com/Products/MSP430/JTAG/MSP430-JTAG-ISO-MK2 http://mspdebug.sourceforge.net/power.html I noticed that the new Wolverine launchpad has an EnergyTrace feature. It is reported in the change log New device support: .. MSP430FR5969 revF Family (full EnergyTrace and ULP feature support) New features: .. Added EnergyTrace I wonder if this will be a similar kind of thing. I havent found any other documentation on it. (But the source is freely available, Hmmm) pabigot 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pabigot 355 Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 (edited) I noticed that the new Wolverine launchpad has an EnergyTrace feature. Very interesting. From the MSP430_EnergyTrace header in the source release (which is BSD-3-Clause): Record format ------------- The default record format for operation mode 1 for the MSP430FR5859 is 22bytes for each record consisting of: [8byte header][8byte device State][4byte current I in nA][2byte voltage V in mV][4byte energy E in uWsec=uJ] Where the header consists of: [1byte eventID][7byte timestamp in usec] The eventID defines the number of arguments following the header. eventID = 1 : I value, 32 bits current eventID = 2 : V value, 16 bits voltage eventID = 3 : I & V values, 32 bits current, 16 bits voltage eventID = 4 : S value, 64 bits state (default type for ET_PROFILING_DSTATE) eventID = 5 : S & I values, 64 bits state, 32 bits current eventID = 6 : S & V values, 64 bits state, 16 bits voltage eventID = 7 : S & I & V & E values, 64 bits state, 32 bits current, 16 bits voltage, 32 bits energy (default type for ET_PROFILING_ANALOG_DSTATE) eventID = 8 : I & V & E values, 32 bits current, 16 bits voltage, 32 bits energy (default type for ET_PROFILING_ANALOG) eventID = 9 : S & I & V values, 64 bits state, 32 bits current, 16 bits voltage Sampling frequencies from 100 Hz to 100 kHz. It's probably the same general solution as Energy Micro uses for the energyAware Profiler. Might be a capability that could be added to mspdebug when using the tilib driver. Tempting project, but I really need to focus on BSPACM for now. *EDIT* See http://forum.43oh.com/topic/5364-msp-debug-stack-no-longer-open-source/ for licensing restrictions related to this feature. Edited April 23, 2014 by pabigot greeeg and bluehash 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
abc 5 Posted April 23, 2014 Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 http://mspdebug.sourceforge.net/power.html The link is dead Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bluehash 1,581 Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 http://mspdebug.sourceforge.net/power.html Not sure why this forum software insists on fracking with my links ? @@Rickta59 Could you elaborate this in the suggestions forum? I could open the previous link fine(FF/Chrome). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
abc 5 Posted April 24, 2014 Author Share Posted April 24, 2014 I can open it now, too Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spirilis 1,265 Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Looks like TI finally released the media blitz on EnergyTrace- http://e2e.ti.com/blogs_/b/msp430blog/archive/2014/06/24/here-we-grow-again-msp430-expands-it-39-s-portfolio-of-fram-based-mcus-with-the-msp430fr5x-6x-series.aspx?DCMP=fr59x69x&HQS=ep-mcu-msp-fr59x69x-fb-mspblog-20140624-en&hootPostID=840f29cb63ce1b4b3a9af1c45677a9e6 http://www.ti.com/tool/energytrace?DCMP=ep-mcu-msp&HQS=energytrace Wolverine LaunchPad (presumably a new version?) and MSP-FET units coming out with EnergyTrace built in, and the FRAM chips have the EnergyTrace++ built in to analyze power at the peripheral level. Also looks like they're expanding the Wolverine series chips finally (we saw glimpses of that with the CCSv6 headers for msp430-elf-gcc) so some TSSOP's are hopefully due to become available soon! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
greeeg 460 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Finally, but it looks to be tethered into CCS. Does anyone know if it requires the code to be written in CCS? ie does it try to link up code and energy consumption? Edit: Looks like these is a new wolverine board, reading ([Tipdf]slaa603[/Tipdf]) shows this v2.0 board, it's wider than the 1.0 and specifically says ezFET with energyTrace. I'm downloading CCS now and will report if the v1.0 boards are supported. @@spirilis They shouldn't need new wolverine boards, The wolverine launchpad I have has all the hardware for it, (the MSPG series, that acts as a DC/DC converter) and the MSP-FETs just need to have firmware that support it. Unfortunately the MSP430UIF FETs will not work. It's actually really smart how they're doing it, the slave Value line part acts as a DC/DC converter, and it reports back any changes it has to make to the duty cycle of it's output pulses. It also has some resistors so that it can calibrate these figures. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bluehash 1,581 Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Finally, but it looks to be tethered into CCS. Does anyone know if it requires the code to be written in CCS? ie does it try to link up code and energy consumption? Edit: Looks like these is a new wolverine board, reading ([Tipdf]slaa603[/Tipdf]) shows this v2.0 board, it's wider than the 1.0 and specifically says ezFET with energyTrace. I'm downloading CCS now and will report if the v1.0 boards are supported. @@spirilis They shouldn't need new wolverine boards, The wolverine launchpad I have has all the hardware for it, (the MSPG series, that acts as a DC/DC converter) and the MSP-FETs just need to have firmware that support it. Unfortunately the MSP430UIF FETs will not work. It's actually really smart how they're doing it, the slave Value line part acts as a DC/DC converter, and it reports back any changes it has to make to the duty cycle of it's output pulses. It also has some resistors so that it can calibrate these figures. EnergyTrace++ Utility | Questions, Answers, Discussion TI Official EnergyTrace announce EnergyTrace++ Tool Page 43oh Blog Page Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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