yyrkoon

Is it just me ?

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So, I've been trying to help out for IDK maybe 5 years now on the beagleboard.org google groups. And,I see all kinds of stupid things. Just tonight, I'm trying to help out someone who obviously could not <insert explicitive > with out a link on instructions how to do so . . .

So, I answer this person, tell him he needs to be more verbose in the explanation of his problem, then proceed to tell him what I think the problem is. This goes on for a few posts . . . Robert Nelson comes on, says the same exact thing I say, but gives this idiot an exact link to something the guy should have already known . . . suddenly, it's fsck all to me and thank you very much Robert Nelson sir . . .

Make me want to go out and help people spitting on me in the street . . . Yeah, sarcasm definitely.

EDIT:

 Yeah I probably should have mentioned the point, My point is that, is it just me, or did young people get drastically less . . .intelligent ? Sure seems that way from where I'm sitting. Not only that, if you do not give a link to something, for this younger generation. It seems they can not figure things out on their own. Let along come up with an original idea, or at minimum, any idea that was not handed to them by someone else . . .

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I faced similar issue, and this experience suggested me to post 

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It's really frustrating. Because I knew the answer to the question asked, and gave most of the answer already. I was just waiting to make sure the problem was as it seemed to be. For this, the person needed to give me some information, that should have already been provided . . .But since young people do not seen to know how to properly ask a question. It's all my fault.

Yes, yes, yes, I do not know how to properly ask a question myself sometimes. We're all guilty. But you know, I can usually find myself a way out of a wet paper sack . . . We all need help, we're all also not all knowing . . . we're people, and we're all flawed. Great. But at least when I take the time to help you out. Show some appreciation at least . . .

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@yyrkoon

Sometimes, when I feel like you do, I go an have a nap until they get off my lawn. ;-)

Don't stop helping us understand stuff.
You are awesome Dude. 
!

 

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I wont stop, but I do not feel awesome I just know some stuff. I'm not looking for praise or anything like that. I just want people to start thinking in a way where they do not necessarily need to ask questions all the time. Meaning, yes, I ask questions too. I know a lot of things are possible, but I would just rather talk to, or ask someone whose had hands on experience about some things. A lot of times that makes me feel better about approaching a given situation. Anyway, I totally get that.

One thing everyone should probably know about my frame of mind last night is that I had just finished off a bottle of wine so . . . I was not drunk or anything, but I was not exactly sober either. Had a good buzz I guess you could say. Still, this type of situation does bother me. It's like if you do not lead the "sheep" exactly where you want them to be, they just eat, sleep and sh** all in the same spot. Except, we, do not exactly need to lead these sheep anywhere. because their problem, is not ours. So when yo utry and help them out, and they just spit back in your face. I think any normal person is going ot get pissed off, and rightly so.

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I hear you. 

I understand.

You're right.

I appreciate your honesty.

Thanks for keeping it real.

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I know this is an older post, but it struck a "pet peeve" nerve.

I recently went back to school, I had to learn how to use a calculator because they were not allowed in math class when I was in high school, and was surprised at how often people did not bother to even copy things by hand. When we had peer reviews, or otherwise were able to see each other's code, there was always at least one that was a direct c&p of code that did not even work. Had they copied it by hand, and read it in the process, they would have realized that it did not work. Keep in mind, these are simple school problems that have numerous examples on the internet. I have also seen, many times, where the code seems to have been intentionally written wrong, but someone who actually reads it will be able to fix it easily.

When I have problems with code, I am often reluctant to ask questions because I do not want someone to just write it for me. I appreciate answers that simply point me in the right direction. On the other hand, with electronics, I tend to look for a more definitive answer. This is usually something like what size cap should I use, because I am trying to copy something that did not give the value, and I am just trying to get it to work, without ordering "one of each" or frying something.

Personally, I appreciate everyone who tries to help me. 

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On 6/10/2017 at 7:57 PM, admirlk said:

I know this is an older post, but it struck a "pet peeve" nerve.

I recently went back to school, I had to learn how to use a calculator because they were not allowed in math class when I was in high school, and was surprised at how often people did not bother to even copy things by hand. When we had peer reviews, or otherwise were able to see each other's code, there was always at least one that was a direct c&p of code that did not even work. Had they copied it by hand, and read it in the process, they would have realized that it did not work. Keep in mind, these are simple school problems that have numerous examples on the internet. I have also seen, many times, where the code seems to have been intentionally written wrong, but someone who actually reads it will be able to fix it easily.

When I have problems with code, I am often reluctant to ask questions because I do not want someone to just write it for me. I appreciate answers that simply point me in the right direction. On the other hand, with electronics, I tend to look for a more definitive answer. This is usually something like what size cap should I use, because I am trying to copy something that did not give the value, and I am just trying to get it to work, without ordering "one of each" or frying something.

Personally, I appreciate everyone who tries to help me. 

As do I appreciate anyone who tries to help me too.

So, when I go to try something I've never done, I usually won't ask anyone for help per se. Usually I'll look for example code, and become familiar with how, and perhaps why it works. After that, because virtually no one writes code to my own "standards", I'll write something completely from scratch, as the shortest possible example I can think of. For myself to refresh my memory later on down the road if I ever need to. Because honestly, I do not retain hardware specific information in my head. Only some semblance Of the programming languages I use. But writing myself functioning, and concise example code, shows me exactly what I need to do, to achieve a certain goal, and then I know of several "mechanisms" (API's perhaps )to further that goal. Even if I have to look up a function prototype or two, to remember exactly how they work.

Maybe I'm just one of those "odd ones out" ?

 

EDIT:

By the way when I say "virtually no one writes code to my standards . . ." I'm talking about style, and not ability.

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2 minutes ago, yyrkoon said:

Maybe I'm just one of those "odd ones out" ?

Well, we are in the same boat then, so maybe it is even ones out.:biggrin:

I just started writing my current project, desktop app, for real. I used no documentation in the "breadboard" versions, so I am having to go back to the APIs and relearn what I did. Unfortunately it is all sub-classes, at this point, so I am not sure where I added functionality for one operation, or another. Since I do not remember what order I added stuff in, I do not Know if things that are not working just need other sub-classes fleshed out, or if I am doing something wrong. I just need to remember to go back and document my real code when I figure out what the problem was.

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